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I know Christians believe that Jesus is God and that's kind of a no-no in Judaism. The thing is, Jesus himself did not say he is God.


Well, there are esoteric things. For example, he said that, "I and the father are one". Well, Kabbalah also says that Israel, God and Torah are one.

He declared that sin is forgiven. Then he claimed that "son of man" can indeed forgive sin. This seems to "imply" that he claims that he is God. But not necessarily. "Son of man" may be someone else. Forgiving sin may be something many angels can do. You can check more here: the site tries to convince people that Jesus did claim to be God, but even the strongest claim are vague.

In any case, Jesus' claim that he is God is always very circumstantial. It's never direct and can have many meaning. On the other hand, this site argues that Jesus simply tried to convey that he is a prophet or God's representative.


Then there is this son-of-God thing. Nephilim are also called sons of God. It could mean many things.


Jesus said to love your enemy which differ from rabbinical teaching. Perhaps he means that we should have mercy even for mass murderers, rapists, etc. which we did. He probably think that it's what Torah really means. There is something in Torah about helping cows of your enemies. Perhaps small gestures of kindness are good even for enemies, but not too much.


So if we don't take into account that Christians think that Jesus is God's Avatar, is Jesus himself a really bad guy? I mean, it's not like he killed, robbed or raped anyone. Could he really be a rabbi or prophet? After all, rabbis and prophets often have different opinions than mainstream.

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This presumes historicity and that Jesus has any place in the scope of what Judaism thinks. If the gospels are not accepted as authoritative then not only is making an argument based on their text useless, but citing them in any discussion is not relevant. But regardless, Jesus (if he existed and the texts are remotely accurate) challenged the accepted hierarchy, subverted law and advocated unacceptable reform (among other things). –  Danno Dec 28 '13 at 22:48
    
@Danno In addition, it excludes any and all Jewish sources to bear on the question of Jesus's being a "good or bad guy". –  WAF Dec 29 '13 at 0:03
    
Yea in Talmud there are several Jesus and we have no idea which one is the famous one assuming the Christian Jesus do exist in the first place. –  Jim Thio Dec 29 '13 at 1:45
    
In the Talmud there are figures who some people like to associate with Jesus. Others say that they are not Jesus at all. Since the name "Jesus" is absent from the Talmud, any association starts one step removed. –  Danno Dec 29 '13 at 3:14
    
The Talmud does make reference to Christian texts, in the case of the idol worhisping judge. It's a bit wierd though since the Talmud was written 100 years after Christianity was the official religion of Rome. –  avi Dec 30 '13 at 11:12
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the verse in Deuteronomy 4:2 says

"You shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it"

He came to change/detract from the torah and for that he was rejected and branded a dangerous heretic.

This was unlike Rabbinical enactments which come to safeguard the existing commandments.

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Does that apply to individuals or just to courts? I think you want to quote the pasuk about being a false prophet. –  avi Dec 30 '13 at 11:00
    
@avi it applies to everyone. go ahead and make another answer if u want –  ray Dec 30 '13 at 11:33
    
Torah have many different interpretation. Maybe Jesus think that what he say is what it really means. And yea, how does it not like Rabbinical enactments? It safeguard the existing commandments? By what? By declaring that no body can be mamzer (like what reconstructionist jews did?) –  Jim Thio Dec 31 '13 at 6:46
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