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Tzivos Hashem, the international Lubavitch youth group, has "We Want Moshiach Now!" in its logo, and Lubavitch children are taught to say and sing that phrase.

I have heard that some authorities have publicly expressed disagreement with, even protested, the use of the phrase.

  • On what basis? (Citations, please, where possible.)
  • How do they reconcile their disagreement with our constant prayers for mashiach now? For example, in sh'mone esre we say "וקבצנו יחד מהרה… לארצנו" and "ומלוך עלינו מהרה" and "וכסא דוד עבדך מהרה לתוכה תכין" and "את צמח דוד עבדך מהרה תצמיח".‎
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Those prayers are for Mashiach (among other things) soon. –  Double AA Nov 13 '13 at 22:45
hebrewbooks.org/… thought the actual answer is probably the same reason we don't go around chanting "we want techiyat hameitim now". –  Double AA Nov 14 '13 at 2:55
I don't think there has to be Torah-based answer to this question. IMHO a more likely answer would be politics. –  Danield Nov 18 '13 at 22:20
@DoubleAA - well, I can tell you that there were people out there that opposed just about everything that the Rebbe said. True, it is unfortunate to bring this up, but I still really think that this is one of those many cases. –  Danield Nov 18 '13 at 22:40
@DoubleAA I think I heard that the Rebbe once expressed himself "If I would say there are 10 commandments, they'd say there are nine" –  Shmuel Brin Nov 21 '13 at 5:16
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I read online once, forgot the exact source I think it was Rav Shach that it's problematic in its insistence, as if God is not doing the best thing by delaying it.

This contradicts the principle that all that H' does is for the good.

Yes, we are supposed to wait for it, but not insist and demand that it comes, as if God is witholding good or that He doesn't know what's best ch'v.

(I'm sure the Rebbe zt'l had good reasons though)

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An interesting position to hold, though. That same reasoning could be given regarding any and all prayers. –  HodofHod Nov 18 '13 at 21:53
@HodofHod when you pray also you should not make it sound as if it's bad and evil and that God does not know what He's doing. there is a gm that rebukes someone who prayed for a refuah the wrong way. forget the exact place, the chovos halevavot commentaries brought it down in i think gate#5. –  ray Nov 18 '13 at 22:01
When the Jews that were impure in the desert were told that they couldn't participate in the Korban Pesach offering their response was 'Lama Nigara' - 'why should we be excluded..' - and apparently Hashem liked that approach - as in response - Hashem gave Pesach Sheni to Am Yisrael. –  Danield Nov 18 '13 at 22:13
@Danield I think you picked a terrible example. That case is a request for information: why are we left out? Furthermore, the nuances of written language make it hard to determine what the tone of a prayer is. Lastly the problem in the OP's case is more like over-insistence through repetition almost to the exclusion of all else. That is not the case by Pesach Sheni at all. It's not just a question of "did they say please?" –  Double AA Nov 18 '13 at 22:28
@Danield That was the least important point in my comment. Do you agree with the important parts? And btw your most recent formulation doesn't sound like much of a "demand" to me. More like an expression of yearning. –  Double AA Nov 18 '13 at 22:37
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A demanding "tone" in prayer is deemed improper. Consider what Shimon ben Shetach said to Choni heMeagel after successfully demanding rain from Hashem (vowing not to leave a drawn circle until it was given, modifying the request multiple times):

שלח לו שמעון בן שטח ואמר לו, צריך אתה לינדות; אבל מה אעשה לך, שאתה מתחטא לפני המקום כבן שמתחטא לפני אביו, והוא עושה לו רצונו. עליך הכתוב אומר, "ישמח אביך, ואימך; ותגל, יולדתך" (משלי כג,כה). (תענית יט א)‏

As I understand it, the lyrics of the song are:

Am yisroel, have no fear

Moshiach will be here this year

Am yisroel, have no fear

Moshiach will be here this year

We want moshiach now

We want moshiach now

We want moshiach now

We don't want to wait

The "we don't want to wait" coupled with the "now" seems (to me) a bit demanding in its tone, which is different from a deferential request that mashiach comes now, or soon.

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What about עד מתי, especially as used in Tikkun Chatzos? –  Yishai Mar 2 at 2:13
@Yishai That's another example. Many of the kabbalistic tikkunim (Tikkun Rachel and Tikkun Leah among them) were not widely accepted because they use language that just "isn't how you talk to God." –  Yitzchak Mar 2 at 4:42
Was R' Shimon referring to the demand, or to the repetition? –  HodofHod Mar 2 at 9:07
@HodofHod Did Choni repeat anything? –  Double AA Mar 2 at 17:40
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I don't think there is a disagreement with the phrase itself but a concern over the intent of the phrase. the problem is with those who believe the rebbe is moshiach. they are wrong. Aside from that minority of silly people, praying for the coming of moshiach and singing about moshiach is positive. look at the 13 principles of faith. belief in moshiach is a central tenet of yiddishekite (number 12 in the order the rambam lists them)

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The line was around before R Schneerson died. –  Double AA Nov 18 '13 at 19:46
I suppose some may very well have opposed R Schneerson's being declared the Mashiach while he was alive. –  Double AA Nov 18 '13 at 22:08
@DoubleAA We Want Moshiach Now has nothing to do with crowning the Rebbe. The Rebbe encouraged it at the same time he criticized Yechi. –  Shmuel Brin Nov 20 '13 at 1:51
@ShmuelBrin I know, but this answer is suggesting that opposition to the phrase is equivalent to opposition to the over-messianism found in chabad, which led to those who falsely declared him messiah. This could have been a concern of someone even while he was alive, depending if you think it became clear that he wasn't messiah only when he died, or if you were sure of that before hand too. –  Double AA Nov 20 '13 at 3:38
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