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If one forgets the "veten tal omatar livracha" phrase in the ashkenazi nussach, they must pray again (if they have finished the whole prayer). What happens if one forgot on mincha on friday, and the sun has set and it is now shabbat.

Do they say Maariv twice since mincha "didn't count" or do they not, since shabbat marriv doesn't mention it either.

I have seen this discussed in halacha with regard to other additions (yaaleh Veyavo, al hanisim...) but I am not certain the same logic applied there applies here.


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@DoubleAA yes IMO. – msh210 Oct 17 '13 at 11:51
question is not the same. second answer address the issue but does not rule on Veten Tal umatar – Yaakov Pinsky Oct 17 '13 at 16:16
@YaakovPinsky How is this question not a subset of that question? And why would you expect any answer here to "rule" on anything? – Double AA Oct 17 '13 at 17:06
rule is a bad choice of words. I didn't find that question when I asked this one. How would one ask a "subset question"? – Yaakov Pinsky Oct 18 '13 at 5:46

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