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which contemplations about God are not allowed?

I am not asking on kabalist knowledge, but rather on simple layman type of contemplations, such as contemplating the "infinite" aspect of God.

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What makes you think there are forbidden contemplations? – HodofHod Aug 26 '13 at 19:38
read in a few places throughout the years. such as in rashi on yechezkel ch.1 – ray Aug 26 '13 at 19:47
See Ramban Berieshis – sam Aug 26 '13 at 20:50
I think there might be a Gemara about this. – Hacham Gabriel Aug 27 '13 at 2:49

Yes. Certain phylisophical/theoretical questions are not allowed:

  • What was before the world was created?
  • What will be after the world ceases to exists?
  • What is beyond the edge of the universe?

It's an explicit Mishna in Chagiga (Ch. 2 Mishna 1)

וכל המסתכל בארבעה דברים, רתוי לו כאילו לא בא לעולם--מה למעלן, מה למטן, מה לפנים, מה לאחור. .

One who looks into 4 subjects would have been better off had he not been born: What's above, what's below, what was before and what will be after.

The גמרא in Chagiga (11b) sources this:

יכול ישאל אדם קודם שנברא העולם ת"ל (דברים ד) למן היום אשר ברא אלהים אדם על הארץ יכול לא ישאל אדם מששת ימי בראשית ת"ל לימים ראשונים אשר היו לפניך יכול ישאל אדם מה למעלה ומה למטה מה לפנים ומה לאחור ת"ל (דברים ד) ולמקצה השמים ועד קצה השמים מלמקצה השמים ועד קצה השמים אתה שואל ואין אתה שואל מה למעלה מה למטה מה לפנים מה לאחור

Maybe a person can discuss what was before the world was created? No, the Pasuk says "from the day Gcd created people".

If so, maybe the 6 days of creation should not be discussed? No, the Pasuk says "from the first days before you existed".

If so, maybe one can discuss what's above, below, before and after? No, the Pasuk says "from the edge of the universe to the edge of the universe"; but what is beyond those boundaries is prohibited.

The Rambam discusses this in הלכות עבודה זרה פרק ב (translation from here)

The worship of false gods is not the only subject to which we are forbidden to pay attention; rather, we are warned not to consider any thought which will cause us to uproot one of the fundamentals of the Torah. We should not turn our minds to these matters, think about them, or be drawn after the thoughts of our hearts.

In general, people have limited powers of understanding, and not all minds are capable of appreciating the truth in its fullness. [Accordingly,] were a person to follow the thoughts of his heart, it is possible that he would destroy the world because of his limited understanding.

What is implied? There are times when a person will stray after star worship, and times when he will wonder about God's oneness: Perhaps He is one, perhaps He is not? [He might also wonder:] What exists above, [in the heavenly realms]? What exists below [them]? What was before time? What will be after time? Similarly, [one might wonder about] prophecy: Perhaps it is true, perhaps it is not? And [one may also wonder] about the Torah: Perhaps it emanates from God, perhaps it does not?

Since he may not know the guidelines with which to evaluate [ideas that will lead him] to the truth in its fullness, he may come to heresy. The Torah has warned about this matter, saying [Numbers 15:39]: "Do not stray after your hearts and eyes, which have led you to immorality" - i.e., each one of you should not follow his limited powers of understanding and think that he has comprehended the truth.

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This is the one I was talking about. – Hacham Gabriel Aug 27 '13 at 13:12
what is meant by ""from the edge of the universe to the edge of the universe"? is this a generic term for everything created. i.e. everything except God? – ray Aug 28 '13 at 4:58
@ray, I don't know. What you say makes sense, except that the Gemara in Chagiga spends a lot of time discussing what goes on in "spiritual heaven" and other issues "out of this universe". – Danny Schoemann Aug 28 '13 at 6:56

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