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I happened to observe a Facebook conversation regarding an upcoming Siyum, ostensibly taking place because someone had put forth great effort to complete a tractate of Talmud, and not because the organizers wanted to eat meat during the Nine Days. The question was asked whether meat would be served, and someone said, "If there's no Hadran there's no meat."

  • Is that correct? That is, does eating meat at a Siyum during the Nine Days require a Hadran?

Furthermore, I wonder:

  • Does Hadran require a minyan (the Siyum-maker apparently assumed so, and was not planning to say the Hadran)? Does the presence of a Minyan obligate a Hadran?
  • Does the presence of a Minyan (with or without a Hadran) obligate a Kaddish?
  • Do Kaddish and Hadran obligate one another (ie., do you need to do both)?
  • And what if there's no Minyan available? Can meat be eaten at such a Siyum during the Nine Days anyway? Can someone make a Siyum with (or even without) a friend or two and then eat meat as part of a Se'udath Mitzvah?
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I suspect the answer to all your questions is no. –  Double AA Jul 10 '13 at 5:40
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the custom in Belz is to never say the Hadran and never say Kaddish after a siyum mesechet - year round. I do not know the reason or source. –  eramm Jul 10 '13 at 10:03
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halachafortodaycom.blogspot.com/2012/04/q-page-13.html scroll down to question 617 –  Danno Jul 10 '13 at 11:58
    
@Danno, thank you for posting. Apparently I am a disgrace many times over and may have made a false promise (at least once). :( –  Seth J Jul 10 '13 at 19:13
    
@sethj sorry...I didn't mean to invoke that as well. I was just looking up what to do if I don't have a minyan tomorrow night. Other than eat lots of meat. –  Danno Jul 10 '13 at 19:24
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In the back of each Artscroll volume of the Talmud, the Hadran is prefaced by the following:

Upon the completion of the study of an entire tractate, a festive meal...should be eaten - preferably with a minyan in attendance. The following prayers of thanksgiving are recited by those who have completed the learning.

The implication is that that a minyan is not required for the Hadran.

Kaddish can not be recited without a minyan. (ibid.)

The book Guidelines for Pesach says that, in order to permit a firstborn to break his fast on Erev Pesach, the siyum must be on one of the following:

  1. A tractate of Gemarah
  2. An order of Mishnah
  3. Any of the 24 books of Tanach, when studied in depth
  4. Any of the four sections of Shulchan Aruch

Presumably, the same would apply to eating meat on the nine days. Hence, it is possible to have a qualifying siyum without having a Hadran (since the Hadran is not said on a book of Tanach or section of Shulchan Orech, as far as I know).

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I have heard Hadran said on Tanakh –  Double AA May 9 at 19:53
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