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Jews had their first bump into philosophy when Alexander the Great conquered Israel (in the early Tanaic period). Since then, we lived under the Greeks and Romans for a few hundred years. Both of those nations had their philosophers (Romans not so much, but a lot of Greek philosophy continued on through them).

Yet, the first "philosophical" work was the Rasag, who lived a few hundred years after the Amoraim. There are a few debates that are recorded between Rabbis and "Elders of Athens" and Rabbis and Sadducees, but they are mostly Rabbis pushing them off and not a true attempt at learning (and teaching) philosophy.

Why do we not have any of the "philosophy" of the Tanayim/Amoraim? Did they not hold of this study? If not, why did the Rasag and Rambam study it?

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related judaism.stackexchange.com/q/13112/759 –  Double AA May 31 '13 at 5:55
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Perhaps they just presented it in a different way. –  Double AA May 31 '13 at 5:56
    
@DoubleAA Agada (and even more so Midrash) isn't "classical" philosophy. –  Shmuel Brin May 31 '13 at 5:57
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In its presentation, or in the concepts it aims to convey? –  Double AA May 31 '13 at 5:58
    
@DoubleAA definitely in presentation. I don't know if the style of learning was the same (was it encoded deliberately [meaning that in the Beis Medrash there was classical philosophy but the students made sure to talk only in code when leaving] or they naturally learned that way. –  Shmuel Brin May 31 '13 at 6:01

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How about jewish hellenistic philosophers like Philo? And a lot of Halacha is influenced by Greek thought, such as the place of women.

Among the Tannaim there were bitter debates whether Greek wisdom should be taught and learned. The Mishnah in Sotah 9:14 bans Greek wisdom. However, this was definitely done because of heavy Greek persecution

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Philo isn't Jewish philosophy. He's a Jew writing about philosophy. Different thing. –  Double AA May 31 '13 at 14:42
    
Why isn't Philo Jewish philosophy? books.google.com/… –  wfb May 31 '13 at 16:43
    
Quotes from that link: "It is not established that he knew Hebrew" "His direct contribution to Jewish medieval thought is non-existent" "The Christians were convinced that Philo's philosophy proclaimed Jesus son of God....One can in fact...deduce this from the text". –  Double AA Jun 2 '13 at 9:51
    
Philo wrote extensively and knowledgeably about platonism. He is known as the "Jewish Plato," because of his admiration for Plato and his work of unifying platonism and Judaism. He was Jewish, he was a philosopher, and he combined Greek and Jewish philosophical concepts. I'm not sure why you're debating this Double AA. Check this article out for more info: platonism347.tripod.com/philo_of_alexandria.htm –  Eilu V'Eilu Jun 3 '13 at 2:04
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@DoubleAA - He died c.50 CE. How many "traditional" texts could he have interacted with? If a precondition for writing Jewish philosophy is that you show an awareness of the rabbinic literature and that you're not part of the Talmud itself, then the OP's question is tautological. How could there be anybody before the latter geonim? –  Shimon bM Jul 1 '13 at 5:55

From what I understand the aggadic material in the talmud may contain coded discussion of philosophic ideas. It would seem that much of this type of information was conveyed orally for generations previously and only put into writing out of necessity. There was a great fear that this material would either upset the ruling non-jewish government and/or would be misunderstood and abused by those not well enough versed so it was written cryptically.

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I think some sources claiming this would improve this answer. –  Double AA May 31 '13 at 15:04
    
@DoubleAA agreed. at the moment i don't have them in front of me. I believe the artscroll says this before the rabbah bar bar chama stories and I think Rabbi Feldman makes this same remark in his introduction to the juggler and the king. But I cannot yet say for sure. –  user2110 May 31 '13 at 15:38
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See הרב צבי אינפלד, חכמה פנימית וחכמה חיצונית: חכמת ישראל וחכמת יוון, part 2 about how Chazal related to Greek ideas, as seen in the aggadah of the questions asked by Alexander to the חכמי דרום (Tamid 32) –  wfb May 31 '13 at 16:45

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