Take the 2-minute tour ×
Mi Yodeya is a question and answer site for those who base their lives on Jewish law and tradition and anyone interested in learning more. It's 100% free, no registration required.

Abaye

The Gemara Eiruvin 56b said that the Migrash (the orange area) is one quarter of the area of the sados (the green area). Let's look at the math. (This is how I understood the maskana)

  • greenArea = (2r+2000+2000)^2 - orangeArea - cityArea (since the length of the migrash is 1000 amos + the length of the techum is 1000)
  • orangeArea = (2r+1000+1000)^2 - cityArea
  • cityArea = 3r^2

Therefore,

  • greenArea = (2r+4000)^2 - (2r+2000)^2 - 3r^2
  • orangeArea = (2r+2000)^2 - 3r^2

greenArea/orangeArea = ((2r+4000)^2 - (2r+2000)^2 - 3r^2 + 3r^2)/((2r+2000)^2 - 3r^2)

greenArea/orangeArea = ((2r+4000)^2 - (2r+2000)^2)/((2r+2000)^2 - 3r^2)

According to Raba, this works if r = 1000 (the city is 2000 x 2000).

However, the result will be 20/13? Where did I go wrong?

EDIT

I saw the Soncino Gemara and they explain that the Migrash is also a circle. In that case, we have the following picture:

enter image description here

  1. BigArea = (2(r+1000+1000))^2
  2. CompleteMigrashArea = 3(r+1000)^2
  3. City = 3r^2

  1. GreenArea = BigArea-CompleteMigrashArea
  2. migrashArea = CompleteMigrashArea-City
  3. GreenArea = BigArea-(MigrashArea+City)
  4. GreenArea = BigArea-MigrashArea-City
  5. GreenArea = (2(r+1000+1000))^2-3(r+1000)^2-3r^2

  1. MigrashArea = 3(r+1000)^2 - 3r^2

  1. GreenArea/MigrashArea = ((2(r+1000+1000))^2-3(r+1000)^2-3r^2)/(3(r+1000)^2 - 3r^2)

If r = 1000, then then the ratio is 7/4

Doesn't work either.


MOREOVER

Abaye says the same method will work if the city is 1000 by 1000. (r=500).

share|improve this question
    
The 3r^2 cancels which calculating the green area. What is the goal here? What does r=1000 yield for abaye? –  Double AA May 13 '13 at 22:40
    
@DoubleAA "The Gemara said that the Migrash (the orange area) is one quarter of the area of the sados " –  Shmuel Brin May 13 '13 at 22:42
    
So you want green/orange == 4 –  Double AA May 13 '13 at 22:43
    
@DoubleAA that's how I understood it. Maybe I'm wrong. –  Shmuel Brin May 13 '13 at 22:44
1  
I have a book called Rabbinical Mathematics and Astronomy he has 5 pages on this topic with diagrams and mathematical figures, I don't know if there's a way to upload these here but if you want I could send it privately but it will have to wait till after Yom Tov. –  Meir Zirkind May 14 '13 at 5:21

1 Answer 1

up vote 7 down vote accepted

In Rava's scenario the entire square is the numerator, so it's not (green/orange), but ((green+orange+gray)/orange). So for your second diagram, the formula should be:

BigArea/MigrashArea = ((2(r+1000+1000))^2)/(3(r+1000)^2 - 3r^2)

or 3.6x10^7 / 9x10^6 = 4

Abaye, on the other hand, doesn't include the city, so for him it's ((green+orange)/orange). Since he takes r=500, then for him it's

BigArea/MigrashArea = (((2(r+1000+1000))^2)-3r^2)/(3(r+1000)^2 - 3r^2)

or (2.5x10^7-7.5x10^5)/6x10^6 = 4.0167

[Tosafos ד"ה אביי says that we actually subtract the city from the total area - though not from the migrash - as if it were squared off, so:

BigArea/MigrashArea = (((2(r+1000+1000))^2)-((2r)^2)/(3(r+1000)^2 - 3r^2)

or (2.5x10^7-1x10^6)/6x10^6 = 4

Gra, on the other hand, says that the figure "one-quarter" doesn't have to be precise.]

share|improve this answer

Your Answer

 
discard

By posting your answer, you agree to the privacy policy and terms of service.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.