Take the 2-minute tour ×
Mi Yodeya is a question and answer site for those who base their lives on Jewish law and tradition and anyone interested in learning more. It's 100% free, no registration required.

It says in SA YD Siman 87 Sif 6 that if one "smokes" together a meat and milk or if they "cook" it in the hot springs of Teveria then they are patur (however this is still ossur to do and of course eat.)

In the Sefer Chedrei De'ah (See here Sif 6) he writes that the process of smoking that one would be patur if done is only when the smoke is NOT yad soledes bo. However if it would be yad soledes he writes that this is "c'risichas aish gomer" (like a boiling fire.)

How is this understood? The point of the Shulchan Aruch to tell us that if you "smoke" meat and milk together that you are patur is to say that it's not "derech bishul" (the normal way of cooking.) But it would seem simple that the smoke must be yad soledes in order to do something to this mixture. If the smoke is cold (or at least not yad soledes) then one could say that this case would be perhaps muter completely or at least not ossur b'dieved.

Are there any additional sources that speak about this (that either go with the opinion of the Chedrei De'ah or argue)?

share|improve this question
    
You mean there's a difficult chumradik explanation of the SA in YD? How unusual. –  Seth J Apr 4 '13 at 12:04
1  
@SethJ I don't know what to say. The question has been asked. –  Yehoshua Apr 4 '13 at 12:09
    
Didn't the Be'er Heitiv say its assur to smoke and chamei teveriah is assur mdrabbanan? –  sam Apr 4 '13 at 18:47

1 Answer 1

The Oirah Vesimcha on the Rambam (Ma'acholos Asuros 9:6 says the same thing: המעושן. כתב בפרישה (סי' פ"ז ס"ק ט') פירוש מעושן שנתחממו בשר בחלב בעשן כמו בחמי טבריה [ר"ל שהיה הבשר והחלב בתוך הקדירה ומתחת הקדירה לא היה אש אלא עשן חם עובר מתחתיה וכך נתחממו ונתבשלו], או י"ל שנשרה בחלב ואח"כ תלאו בעשן ע"כ, ונראה יותר כפירוש הב' דאופן הראשון נראה שהוא בישול גמור דהא קיי"ל לגבי שבת תולדת אור כאור וא"כ העשן לא גרע מתולדת אש, ומה לי נתחמם ע"י אש ממש או תולדת אש, וגם מסתבר דעשן יש לו דין אש ממש ולא תולדת אש, אלא א"כ נכבה האש לגמרי דאז לא הוה אלא תולדת אש.

share|improve this answer

Your Answer

 
discard

By posting your answer, you agree to the privacy policy and terms of service.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.