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As I understand it, we don't make prayers of request (bakashot) on Shabbat (cf Rambam Shabbat 30:12). For that reason, we omit so many liturgical requests because of shabbos - e.g., Avinu Malkeinu, tachanun, the 13 attributes, singing during birkat kohanim, most of the amidah.

If that's so, then why are we allowed to make requests during the Torah service - e.g., mishebeirach, birkat hachodesh, yekum purkan, Kel malei rachamim, prayer for the country, prayer for Israel?

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I know of some shuls that don't do many of these things for exactly this reason. (I think benching after al y'chasrenu can also be included in this catagory) – soandos Aug 15 '12 at 6:14
This article is a must on the topic: books.google.com/… – Double AA Aug 15 '12 at 6:39
@soandos there are shuls that don't do birkat hachodesh? – Charles Koppelman Aug 15 '12 at 15:23
@CharlesKoppelman, there might be, but I have not heard of them. I imagine that is different, as it is based off of a d'oritah I believe (but am not sure, and I don't think that the bakashot are part of the mitzvah per se in any case) – soandos Aug 15 '12 at 15:25
@DoubleAA That's a terrific article! Just skimmed a bit of it. Will look at it more throughout the day. Thanks! – Charles Koppelman Aug 15 '12 at 16:42

Taking out the Torah constitutes an eit ratzon, a time appropriate for making requests to the King Whose presence we have invoked.

Here's another article about it which elaborates on the concept of eit ratzon and why this supercedes the general issue of not making requests on Shabbat: http://www.beureihatefila.com/files/2010-06-04_Tefila_Newsletter.pdf

The whole point is that the eit ratzon appropriate for making requests on Shabbat depends on taking out the sifrei Torah.

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But many people remove tefillin on rosh chodesh before chatzi kaddish because they view that kaddish as leading into the next part not completing the previous part. Note also that most rabbis give the sermon prior to chatzi kaddish on shabbat not after it. – Double AA Sep 4 '12 at 3:06
This is an okay answer, but according to the logic presented, we should insert (at a minimum) "Slach lanu" into our amidahs during Shabbas Tshuva. – Charles Koppelman Sep 4 '12 at 17:39
@CharlesKoppelman (I believe that Shabbat is called Shabbat Shuvah based on the first word in the haftorah from Hoshea 14:2. That said, Teshuva is definitely an appropriate thing to be thinking about at that time :) ) – Double AA Sep 5 '12 at 3:47
@DoubleAA yup. i'm tired – Charles Koppelman Sep 5 '12 at 3:59

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