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If a women starts singing in a room with men, despite knowing they observe kol isha, is she liable for her voice being heard or are the men that hear liable?

If a women dresses non-tzneiz in front of men, are the men liable for looking, or is the women liable for dressing that way knowing the situation?

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Liable for what? – Double AA Aug 2 '12 at 23:48
Lfnei e'ver is still there. – sam Aug 2 '12 at 23:48
I don't understand the question. They are both doing something wrong! – Dave Aug 3 '12 at 0:52
related – Double AA Aug 3 '12 at 3:19

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Both are liable. Think about it: The Talmud considers a woman's voice like her "nakedness" and the same is true about a woman not dressed properly, thus they are both sinning by exposing her nakedness, it would be comparable to a pair who willingly engaged in prohibition relations (for example adultery) whereby both the man and the woman are to be held responsible.

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That sounds a little bit like something the Karites would say. – Double AA Aug 5 '12 at 2:15
Why is that? Please explain yourself. – Reb Chaim HaQoton Aug 5 '12 at 5:58
(It's not my downvote.) You seem to be saying that just like in adultery they are both obligated so too in this case, the common denominator being that both involve uncovering nakedness. This is an extremely literal understanding of the pasuk 'גילה ערותה' and I'm not convinced it's a good pshat at all unless you can source it. – Double AA Aug 5 '12 at 6:02
I hear why it sounds like that it what I meant. I simply meant to prove that just as in regard to all illicit sexual relations both the man and woman are to be held liable for sinning, the same is true in regard to these examples of listening to a woman's singing and looking at a woman not properly dressed. – Reb Chaim HaQoton Aug 5 '12 at 10:01

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