Why do some people oppose Tav haYosher?

Question

Is there a halachic reason to be opposed to Uri L'Tzedek and Tav haYosher? Why do some frum Jews oppose it?

Really the only things that I can find is that Uri L'Tzedek is left-wing and led by YCT rabbis, but this particular project of theirs seems to me like it should be relatively uncontroversial.

I know this is not the case, though, because a number of restaurants have refused the Tav simply because they think that it will be bad for business.

Information about Uri L'Tzedek: Wikipedia, homepage

Tav HaYosher: Wikipedia, homepage

Answer 1

Quoting from "Rubashkin Revenge: Ethical Certificates at Center of Dispute" (Jewish Journal, Los Angeles, July 25, 2012:

Although the pushback against the Tav appears to be coming primarily, if not exclusively, from individuals affiliated with the Chabad Lubavitch movement, there is no evidence that any official encouragement came from Chabad, according to the organization’s leaders and those involved in the anti-Tav efforts. ...

The issue appears not to be the Tav certification, per se, but rather that in 2008, Uri L’Tzedek was the instigator of a boycott of products from the Agriprocessors meat processing plant in Postville, Iowa, in the wake of the massive immigration raid that closed down the plant.

Answer 2

I am not sure why people are opposed, as different people give different reasons, and there is no "official" opposition front. Moreover, while no one (to the best of my knowledge) forbids one to place a sticker saying "R' Yanklowitz likes this company", there are several sticky points in this particular case, most stemming from a lack of honesty as to their hechsher vis-a-vis halacha:

1. Even had this kind of hechsher would be done by big Orthodox Rabbonim, many would question it's validity. Most food hechsherim do not engage in "economic warfare", they just tell you what one is allowed to eat. Most (if not all) hechsherim will certify produce made by non-Jews, non-religious Jews, and even anti-religious Jews. This organization, on the other hand, tells people to boycott companies that do not follow their standards. One can just imaging what would happen if this was implemented with an eye on Orach Chayim and Yoreh Deyah. (Can you imagine what would have happened had the Eida Hachareidis announced that they are opening a new Hashgacha that this product is owned by "frum Jews", "Ashkenazi Jews", "Anti-Zionist Jews", etc.)

   Unlike non-kosher food which is forbidden to be consumed, food produced (even) in places where the owner repeatedly cheats his workers is still permitted.

2. When a person wants to give a "hechsher" to certify if something is done right, one should be a Torah scholar of sufficient caliber to be able to issue psak regarding that which one certifies. No one would eat of a hashgacha that doesn't have a Rov standing behind the product. So too, when one certifies a company for keeping Choshen Mishpat, one would have expected to have a few practicing dayanim on the board. He doesn't have any. Not from the RCA or from any other organization.

3. If they want to enforce "fairness" and demand that the owner of the company keep to the the laws of Choshen Mishpat, they should insist on all sides keeping to Choshen Mishpat. One of the rules in Jewish law is that whenever one side has a claim on the other, one goes to Beis Din. Yet, that "Hashgacha" will not force the sides to mediate in a neutral Beis Din if there are any disputes. If one wants to be just, he must be just to all sides, and the employer as well as the employer have rights in Halacha. Moreover, their website implies that they don't enforce the rights of banks, clients, suppliers, etc.

4. Even ignoring all of the above, the fact is that when one wants to be a mashgiach on Yashrus, he should try to live up to that standard. He went on a campaign against Rubashkin (and implied that this was the reason for his Hashgacha). If he had such Yashrus, I would have expected at least for him to try taking Rubashkin to a few Battei Dinim before going to the non-Jewish media and government.

   In other words, it appears to be another "Social Justice" organization cloaking themselves as a "Torah" organization.

Answer 3

You ask two questions:

Is there a halachic reason to be opposed to Uri L'Tzedek and Tav haYosher? Why do some frum Jews oppose it?

I cannot answer the first. As to the second, the culture of the orthodox Jewish community is that it is resistant to change and that new trends tend to meet opposition at first. Here, for example, rabbis for centuries, and (more relevantly) even rabbis of last century, had seemingly not seen a need for such certification, so it can be viewed as not necessary. Moreover, it may be seen (even if inaccurately) as imposing rules (the certification's criteria) over and above halacha, which is often viewed as repugnant. Finally, the identities of the people who started it is no saving grace: had a gadol hador started the tav, a greater number of orthodox people may have acceded to his judgement as steeped in Tora.

I'm not passing judgement on the validity of these views (perhaps they are valid, perhaps not). You asked why some "frum" Jews oppose it, and this is my conjecture.

(Compare a similar though not identical answer about confirmation.)

Answer 4

There was an initiative very similar to this from non-halachic groups, and in general an objection raised about a non-Torah true organization imposing requirements in the guise of a hechsher. Perhaps there is perception that the objection raised in that case apply here. I am not informed if the same issues apply here or not. They inlcude: Being founded following the Rubashkin incident, where the charges were not found to be have veracity - so therefore founded in falsehood; The certification being focused on food establishents, (and only kosher ones)- where if it was genuinly interested in ethical standards should apply to any business, such as clothing manufacturers; Would harm the kashrus standards, confuse companies who would be expected to carry a second certification; Is assuming the role of enforcing or making statments on enforcement of regulations already managed by local, state, federal labor laws and government enforcement agencies.

Answer 5

The Tav was founded on lies against Rubashkin. the Tav was given information by the Union, Rubashkin was found not guilty on the child labor charges which proves the Tav can make up lies on business owners.

Legal authorities of the land are already in-place, the Tav Heksher makes it seem that Jews will under-pay employees. That is why many kosher eateries wont accept the Tav and their bullies, which started on lies agains Rubashkin.