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There is a halacha that if one is unsure if certain letters of STa"M (Sefer Torah/Tefillin/Mezuza) are of the right length, one can ask a child.

What happens if there was a doubt in a letter in a tefillin, one sofer asked a child, the child misread it, and then afterwards someone else showed it (not knowing that it was already shown) to another child and the second child read it correctly?

  • Can the second man fulfill his obligation with this Tefillin?
  • Is it a Safek (so if any of the two sofrim put on tfillin with these Parshios, they would have to put on another pair without a blessing)?
  • If this happened a few times (this ksav was shown to a few children), and all read it wrong except for one, could that one later on (assuming this parsha was unfixed) claim "leshitaso" and wear this tefillin without a Bracha?
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+1. You can also ask if one child said it right and then another said otherwise. – msh210 May 30 '12 at 18:39
Then you wouldn't have question 1 – Shmuel Brin May 30 '12 at 18:42
Wouldn't you, though about the other man? – msh210 May 30 '12 at 18:42
@msh210 then there is no man 2 – Shmuel Brin May 30 '12 at 18:43
I meant the case would be: One man asked a child, who said it right, and another (not knowing it was already shown) asked another child, who read it wrong. Exact parallel to your case. – msh210 May 30 '12 at 18:45
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The Keset HaSofer, by Rabbi Shlomo Ganzfried, rules (6:4) that when multiple children disagree about the reading of a letter we follow the majority. I suppose if there are only 2 children, we wait עד שיבוא השלישי ויכריע ביניהם -- until a third one comes and resolves the contradiction.

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Good call on the עד שיבוא השלישי ויכריע ביניהם. – Adam Mosheh May 30 '12 at 21:09
+1. Mechaber says the same thing – Yitzchak Feb 17 '14 at 21:19

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