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Someone recently mentioned in a conversation about making/ not making tea on shabbat with a tea bag, that the Starbucks VIA coffee is micro-ground vs how ever regular instant coffee is made and that making micro-ground coffee is actually like making tea on shabbat.

Anybody know anything about this? Would this mean that people who don't make tea with a tea bag (obviously after a kli sheni) because of kali bishul concerns shouldn't use micro ground coffee on shabbat? And getting deeper into it, would this mean that one would have to make this kind of coffee in a kli shlishi if they do make tea that way?

Thoughts, Information...?

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Idk, what is Via? –  Adam Mosheh Jul 16 '12 at 14:29
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Per the cRc Chicago:

Starbucks Via Instant coffee may be used on Shabbos (when prepared in the proper way of preparing instant beverages on Shabbos).


We were in touch with the Rav HaMachshir who reports that it is pre-cooked sufficiently to permit its use on Shabbos.

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Gershon, @MEG, thanks for bringing this to light. I usually go w/o coffee on Shabbos, but I tried the Via and it wasn't too bad. Y'all will now have a zechus in my Shabbos learning and davening. –  YDK Feb 19 '12 at 5:09
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I don't know how Starbucks VIA is made, although that should be easy to find out, but if it is micro-ground and never cooked (most instant coffees are brewed and then freeze-dried) then it would pose a serious issue of Bishul on Shabbath. Yes, you would have to use a Keli Shelishi and also make sure that the Keli is not Yad Soledeth Bo (99% of the time it would be) in order to make a cup of VIA on Shabbath. You would also have to make sure you don't start a brew (let's say a full pitcher) Friday night right after lighting candles and let it sit 24 hours (which would still be Shabbath).

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I'm unfamiliar with the VIA, but could you clarify why you would need a kli shlishi and make sure it's not YSB? Why not either or? Also, could you clarify the problem of the 24 hour brew- are you bringing in a case of kavush? Again, I don't know how the system works. –  YDK Feb 15 '12 at 23:14
@YDK I'm sorry. I was writing in a rush. I will try to clarify later. –  Seth J Feb 15 '12 at 23:21
Some use teabags in a kli shlishi, some do not, but I've never seen anyone check the temperature of the water before inserting a tea bag. "Kli sheni eino m'vashel" is a halachic construct, not a physical construct. We go to kli shlishi for "easily cooked" items, and it's questionable whether tea leaves count as "easily cooked" - but in any case, the physical condition of the water is irrelevant. –  user1095 Feb 16 '12 at 7:03
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