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When are we in exile in Jewish History? Is it when no Jews live in Israel? Is it when Jews are not in charge of Israel? (For example, we know that when the Babylonians were in charge we had the Babylonian Exile, did this continue under the Persians and then the Greeks; did we have the Persian Exile and the Greek Exile?) What does it say about today? Are we in exile if we have Israel?

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The question is more complicated then you realize :). First exile is Babylonians kicking us out of Israel. Second exile is the Persians taking over the babylonians before the temple is rebuilt. Third Exile is from the Greeks desecrating the Temple but Jews still live in Israel. 4th exile is the Roman exile when the temple was destroyed. But when the romans were killed off, or lost Israel, nobody declared the exile over.. until the third temple is rebuilt. – avi Nov 22 '11 at 21:08
Therefore my gamartria answer makes sense for 278, although how many redemptions have we had if we have 4 exiles? 3? – morah hochman Nov 22 '11 at 22:04
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Generally, the list of exiles corresponds with the four empires that Daniel envisioned (Daniel 2:37-43 and chs. 7-11). According to most commentators, they are: Babylonia, Persia/Media, Greece (Alexander the Great and his Hellenistic successors), and Rome and her cultural inheritors. Each of these indeed ruled over the majority of the world's Jews in its time. (Note that for nearly half of the Second Temple era - 206 years, according to Avodah Zarah 8b-9a - the Romans exercised greater or lesser direct influence over the Land of Israel, even though for part of that time it had Jewish rulers, first the Hasmoneans and then the Herodians.)

Another view (R. Saadiah Gaon and Ibn Ezra) makes Rome an extension of Greece (which it was, to a large extent, culturally and perhaps ethnically), and the fourth empire is Islam.

Some later commentator (might be Abarbanel - I forget) counters that an empire counts for this purpose only if (a) it took over all of the territories of its predecessor, or (b) it destroyed the Beis Hamikdash. So he explains that Babylonia counts under both criteria, Persia/Media and Greece under (a) only, and Rome under (b) only; the Islamic caliphate, by contrast, failed to meet either one.

Be that as it may, the idea would be that we're still "in exile" until Moshiach comes and the Beis Hamikdash is rebuilt (see Dan. 2:44).

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So Egypt was not an exile? – jake Nov 22 '11 at 22:09
@jake, it is and it isn't. :) It's a prototype of all future exiles (see Bereishis Rabbah 16:4), but it's not usually counted as one of the four exiles themselves, probably because it happened before the Jewish people fully became a nation at the Giving of the Torah. – Alex Nov 22 '11 at 22:20

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